Comments on: Hmm… remember this? http://enemiesofreason.co.uk/2009/10/23/hmm-remember-this/ Poundshop potshots at the media moral maze. Fri, 03 Feb 2012 08:27:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: neil craig http://enemiesofreason.co.uk/2009/10/23/hmm-remember-this/comment-page-2/#comment-2236 neil craig Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:24:31 +0000 http://enemiesofreason.co.uk/2009/10/23/hmm-remember-this/#comment-2236 The point was hypocrisy evident in attacking the BNP for racism by those who are no better. Since it is clearly undeniablethat the LibDems support war crimes, racial genocide & worse & censor mention of such obscenities while the BNP oppose them & do not engage in denial i was very much to the point.<br /><br />That no LDs can address the point is to your discredit not mine. The point was hypocrisy evident in attacking the BNP for racism by those who are no better. Since it is clearly undeniablethat the LibDems support war crimes, racial genocide & worse & censor mention of such obscenities while the BNP oppose them & do not engage in denial i was very much to the point.

That no LDs can address the point is to your discredit not mine.

]]> By: BigglesUK http://enemiesofreason.co.uk/2009/10/23/hmm-remember-this/comment-page-2/#comment-2231 BigglesUK Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:40:02 +0000 http://enemiesofreason.co.uk/2009/10/23/hmm-remember-this/#comment-2231 entertaining but if the newspapers are saying this then obviously according to you they are lying and being newspapers they don't have their finger on the pulse of society do they, remember that to sell newspapers you write what people want to hear and you voice the fears of these people. Do not forget the power of the press it can even make or break a government entertaining but if the newspapers are saying this then obviously according to you they are lying and being newspapers they don't have their finger on the pulse of society do they, remember that to sell newspapers you write what people want to hear and you voice the fears of these people. Do not forget the power of the press it can even make or break a government

]]> By: Tom Evans http://enemiesofreason.co.uk/2009/10/23/hmm-remember-this/comment-page-2/#comment-2228 Tom Evans Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:41:00 +0000 http://enemiesofreason.co.uk/2009/10/23/hmm-remember-this/#comment-2228 The Express obviously doesn't object to the racism, only to having to pay for it. The Express obviously doesn't object to the racism, only to having to pay for it.

]]> By: charlesdance http://enemiesofreason.co.uk/2009/10/23/hmm-remember-this/comment-page-2/#comment-2226 charlesdance Sun, 01 Nov 2009 13:33:24 +0000 http://enemiesofreason.co.uk/2009/10/23/hmm-remember-this/#comment-2226 Brilliant, brilliant article. Have you heard of Sky One UK Border force? It's a revolting programme which showcases the violent hunting down and rounding up of 'illegals', presumably made with tghe full cooperation and participation of the Home Office..i wrote something about it here http://400words.wordpress.com/ Brilliant, brilliant article. Have you heard of Sky One UK Border force? It's a revolting programme which showcases the violent hunting down and rounding up of 'illegals', presumably made with tghe full cooperation and participation of the Home Office..i wrote something about it here http://400words.wordpress.com/

]]> By: dapht1 http://enemiesofreason.co.uk/2009/10/23/hmm-remember-this/comment-page-2/#comment-2209 dapht1 Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:03:02 +0000 http://enemiesofreason.co.uk/2009/10/23/hmm-remember-this/#comment-2209 nice one, watch the media - they are watching you ;) nice one, watch the media – they are watching you ;)

]]> By: Dog Bites Back http://enemiesofreason.co.uk/2009/10/23/hmm-remember-this/comment-page-2/#comment-2204 Dog Bites Back Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:02:07 +0000 http://enemiesofreason.co.uk/2009/10/23/hmm-remember-this/#comment-2204 Someone's probably already said this, but that article about blue-eyed kids being smarter is actually about the infamous psychological study that set out to show how easy it is to turn someone racist. It wasn't the paper being racist.<br /><br />Besides that, great post! I can't believe most of the British population buys these tabloids. Makes me worry for our near future. Someone's probably already said this, but that article about blue-eyed kids being smarter is actually about the infamous psychological study that set out to show how easy it is to turn someone racist. It wasn't the paper being racist.

Besides that, great post! I can't believe most of the British population buys these tabloids. Makes me worry for our near future.

]]> By: BUBO http://enemiesofreason.co.uk/2009/10/23/hmm-remember-this/comment-page-2/#comment-2200 BUBO Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:51:01 +0000 http://enemiesofreason.co.uk/2009/10/23/hmm-remember-this/#comment-2200 Put my thoughts to words. Put my thoughts to words.

]]> By: Iconoclast http://enemiesofreason.co.uk/2009/10/23/hmm-remember-this/comment-page-2/#comment-2196 Iconoclast Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:44:14 +0000 http://enemiesofreason.co.uk/2009/10/23/hmm-remember-this/#comment-2196 Let's also not overdo the condemnation of the newspapers. Yes, they're irresponsibly publishing what sells, what their readership wants. For the most part they haven't invented these fears or the reactions to them, they don't have that much imagination. They've simply picked up on rumors and social problems that are running in an undercurrent through a large segment of the population. You don't have to be a Nick Griffin-following bigot to be concerned when competition becomes tougher for jobs and some, not all, muslim people start calling for sharia law -- something most people aren't familiar with -- even if it's simply for family court and marriage cases. The simple point is that if there weren't already fears spread farther than Nick Griffin could reach, those headlines wouldn't sell.<br /><br />Now is there a commercial newspaper of any description that actually tries to address these fears and allow people to discuss social tensions as adults? Anybody? Bueller? Anybody? No, firstly because it wouldn't sell, and secondly because these topics can't be discussed openly. It immediately offends someone on some side of some issue (not necessarily related) and someone somewhere is branded a bigot.<br /><br />I can dislike Nick Griffin for many things, but ironically it's his riot-inciting hatred that sometimes causes people to flaunt PC-ness and actually talk about the taboo subjects.<br /><br />We can blame the papers for their irresponsibility, hypocrisy and scare-mongering, you're quite right. But we have problems in this country that we can't blame the papers for, and if we use them completely as scapegoats it merely allows us to sweep those problems under the rug until the next time they break out in ugly demonstrations and random violence. The problems, not the papers. Personally, I hate the papers; but I can't forget the hidden problems and I have to hope that even those dreadful headlines might actually start people talking honestly. Let's also not overdo the condemnation of the newspapers. Yes, they're irresponsibly publishing what sells, what their readership wants. For the most part they haven't invented these fears or the reactions to them, they don't have that much imagination. They've simply picked up on rumors and social problems that are running in an undercurrent through a large segment of the population. You don't have to be a Nick Griffin-following bigot to be concerned when competition becomes tougher for jobs and some, not all, muslim people start calling for sharia law — something most people aren't familiar with — even if it's simply for family court and marriage cases. The simple point is that if there weren't already fears spread farther than Nick Griffin could reach, those headlines wouldn't sell.

Now is there a commercial newspaper of any description that actually tries to address these fears and allow people to discuss social tensions as adults? Anybody? Bueller? Anybody? No, firstly because it wouldn't sell, and secondly because these topics can't be discussed openly. It immediately offends someone on some side of some issue (not necessarily related) and someone somewhere is branded a bigot.

I can dislike Nick Griffin for many things, but ironically it's his riot-inciting hatred that sometimes causes people to flaunt PC-ness and actually talk about the taboo subjects.

We can blame the papers for their irresponsibility, hypocrisy and scare-mongering, you're quite right. But we have problems in this country that we can't blame the papers for, and if we use them completely as scapegoats it merely allows us to sweep those problems under the rug until the next time they break out in ugly demonstrations and random violence. The problems, not the papers. Personally, I hate the papers; but I can't forget the hidden problems and I have to hope that even those dreadful headlines might actually start people talking honestly.

]]> By: JimmySixBellies http://enemiesofreason.co.uk/2009/10/23/hmm-remember-this/comment-page-2/#comment-2194 JimmySixBellies Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:24:50 +0000 http://enemiesofreason.co.uk/2009/10/23/hmm-remember-this/#comment-2194 Yes. <br /><br />That is all. Yes.

That is all.

]]> By: ed http://enemiesofreason.co.uk/2009/10/23/hmm-remember-this/comment-page-2/#comment-2193 ed Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:24:40 +0000 http://enemiesofreason.co.uk/2009/10/23/hmm-remember-this/#comment-2193 That was absolutely brilliant! Was linked here from a forum, and will certainly be linking from my blog. <br /><br />Truly delightful :) That was absolutely brilliant! Was linked here from a forum, and will certainly be linking from my blog.

Truly delightful :)

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